These. Valves. Are. So. Dirty

"JR1" (type35bugatti) 07/28/2014 at 16:31 • Filed to: lincoln capri, valves, 1959 lincoln

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And no before you guys ask I still have not yet gotten the spark plugs off. Time for fire. Lots and lots of fire... Seriously though I love valves

EDIT: NOT VALVES ROCKERS

Bad Idea Hat > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:32

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505Turbeaux > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:33

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is the engine loose enough to spin?

JR1 > 505Turbeaux 07/28/2014 at 16:36

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Nope that is why the spark plugs need to come off. I'm not touching anything until I can get some fluids down the pistons and maybe look inside with a bore scope. I need to get a bore scope from somewhere

crowmolly > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:36

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Psst! Those aren't your valves!

Have you been shooting the penetrating oil? Those plugs are in little pockets which is perfect for the fluid to do its job.

Shaft mount rockers! Sweet!

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:37

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Looks awesome, in dirty/rusted/screwed kinda way. Good luck.

JR1 > crowmolly 07/28/2014 at 16:39

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Shit you're right I feel a little embarrassed. But they are connected to the valves at least.

And yes I have multiple times

505Turbeaux > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:40

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you can rent one from some parts places if I remember correctly. just slam a bunch of ATF down those holes as soon as you get the plugs out to start that soaking. Hell I would probably fill the crankcase with it too. Just get the cheapest Dex3 you can and fill er up, drain it of course before you try and crank it. Oh yeah I just remembered this post I made for you some time ago! http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/what-is-oppos-…

Bandit > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:45

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Marvel mystery oil to the rescue.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:48

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Are your valves unstuck, or did you just pull the valve covers for the giggles? It looks like you're on-cam with the #6 exhaust, which if you can look up a reference of the crank will tell you where everything is.

At least it's all mostly greasy and not rusty - a good sign.

crowmolly > JR1 07/28/2014 at 16:49

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Since you have such a straight shot you can probably try a tight fitting 6 pt socket on a long extension to a 1/2" breaker bar.

crowmolly > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/28/2014 at 16:50

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Indeed! Rust and moisture would be far worse IMO.

JR1 > 505Turbeaux 07/28/2014 at 16:52

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I actually added that post to my favorites bar so I had it saved. Thanks again!

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/28/2014 at 16:54

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I kinda just pulled and giggled. I was afraid if I touched something all hell could break lose. I am after all still a green horn. I need to do more reading on the subject. And I did not see rust of any kind there which was a relief.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > crowmolly 07/28/2014 at 16:56

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30 year old seeped lead gas is almost as bad as rust sometimes. I had something that had valves gummed in place so badly (I've told this story before) that the pushrods got bent when I turned the engine.

Bandit > JR1 07/28/2014 at 17:00

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Pro tip I (well, my dad) discovered. If you are going to rebuild the engine, once you tear down the block as far as you want (left my bottom end intact), put the block in a truck bed, drive to a $5 all you can wash car wash. Use the car wash to clean the block. You get access to hot high pressure soapy water and degreaser. It made my block shine in preparation for a new camshaft. Bonus: I borrowed my friends truck and instead of paying for gas I paid him with a freshly washed truck.

JR1 > Bandit 07/28/2014 at 17:03

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That's an awesome idea thanks for the tip!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 07/28/2014 at 17:12

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This picture is terrible, because there's no way to view the original eBay ad it came from, but this is what your crank looks like (430 MEL, correct?). If #6 is currently on exhaust and no other cylinder on that bank has a valve open, then its 180 degree partner #4 is probably on burn, with #2 close to TDC and #8 at BDC... or something. If #2 or #8 looks like both valves are partly depressed, it will be safe for you to "bounce" the other one with a rubber hammer - that cylinder will be at BDC and there's no way for the valves to reach the piston. If it moves, you're likely fine. Preferable to bouncing is pushing down really hard with something, if you can.

JGrabowMSt > JR1 07/28/2014 at 17:21

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PB Blaster to the rescue.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/28/2014 at 17:28

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Like pushing it down with a rubber hammer? And seriously thank you for the help it's very informative. And to answer the question it is a 430 MEL

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 07/28/2014 at 17:32

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If one pair of valves is loose, the others *probably* are too. Expect it to take pressing down on it with something non-damaging (brass drift or other) with maybe 40lb of pressure or more, but if it gives, the valve is free. The other practice, which is hard on the valve seals and might crack your spring retainer or something (though probably not) is hitting with a rubber hammer. If it bounces and you can see the spring retainer "blip" downward, your valve is free. If it feels exactly like hitting the head, it may be stuck. If it goes down a bit and doesn't come up, oil time. Oil, and prayer.

In short, going ahead and manually oiling all your rockers and making sure your valves are not majority stuck is good.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/28/2014 at 17:35

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What kind of oil are we talking about here? WD40? Or something more robust

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 07/28/2014 at 17:40

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You can use PB Blaster, really, or a squirter of transmission fluid. Transmission fluid with a kicker of kerosene in it is quite effective in a soak - it'd be better than PB Blaster if it clung to things as well.

WD-40 is a penetrant and displacer of water: both are good here, but it's not really that great as a lubricant. Still would work fine for loosening up, though, just would be worth replacing if you tried starting the engine (read: cranking through to replace with engine oil).

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/28/2014 at 17:45

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Awesome thanks. As always I will keep you up to date on my basket case

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 07/28/2014 at 17:51

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Remember, I only sort of know what I'm doing.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/28/2014 at 18:09

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Hey that is more than me!

Nibbles > Bandit 07/29/2014 at 10:34

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Awesome idea!

thebigbossyboss > Bandit 08/01/2014 at 14:33

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Of genius.

Ferrero1911 > JR1 08/01/2014 at 20:29

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We should start a support group.

JR1 > Ferrero1911 08/01/2014 at 20:46

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We could call it dirty Vs